Arguments about relevance swirl around immediate (as opposed to remote) needs and interests of learners. College and work, for examples, are psychologically if not chronologically far into the future for most children. They feel a need for certain knowl- edge now. Like Scarlett O'Hara, they'll worry about remote needs tomorrow. Disagreements arise over contemporary as opposed to historic content. There is some question as to how many students would enroll in history courses-with the possi- ble exception of American history-if the classes were not required. History teachers constantly have trouble showing young people the value of history, and the more ancient the history, the more difficulty they have.